Our idea vs reality
We like to perceive II Polish
Republic as a country of ladies and gentlemen, raised in accordance with a strict, religion-based 19th century moral
code, who would approach their romantic life in
an idealistic way. Men would chase women for months, or even years before given her a long-awaited first kiss, and this
would only be the very first step on a suitor’s way to a
lady’s heart. Finally he’d propose and, providing he was a lucky one, soon the
couple would pledge their life-long love and fidelity to each other. Most of us
don’t even dare to think that the sexual life of most of the people at the time
would begin long before they got married. Not to mention it was much more
similar to common nowadays standards than to a chick-flick story. At a risk of
sounding inappropriate I invite you to take a peek
through a key-hole of a mid-war Polish bedroom.
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Origins of a fairly liberal approach
For
years sex-related topics were simply considered to be a
taboo. No self-respecting gentleman, nor
lady would openly speak about this intimate part of a human’s life. At the dawn
of the 19th century as little as
mentioning the word genitalia would result in an instant blush and an
overwhelming feeling of awkwardness among most of the respectable companion.
Yet as long as it was socially unacceptable to speak out loud about the topic, men would be told by their friends, fathers or even
doctors that not only should they have sex relatively often, but
also that it was unhealthy not to engage in an intercourse every now and then.
Even if not yet married. It was related to a popular view among physicians that
– 1) masturbation was unhealthy, 2) men had to release “fluids that constantly
accumulate in their bodies”. If we take a look at works of the pioneers of the Polish sexology,
such as doctor Kurkiewicz we’ll see that it was not uncommon to “prescribe” a
sexual intercourse to a patient as a remedy for
different health-related problems. As long as it was completely acceptable for
a man to have a –sometimes flourishing- sexual life before marriage, the society was not
that easy on women, who were expected to remain virgins until they wed.
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The revolution begins
The
aforementioned double-standards could not last forever though. The 20th
century was to bring what is now often called the first sexual revolution. In
1914 the world entered the Great War bringing instability, fear and pain to lives
of the millions inhabiting the continent. Armies would march through numerous
war theatres changing cities and villages flourishing with life into a war
zone. Young soldiers, who often could not be sure if they would live to see another day wanted to live their
life to the fullest when they still could, and
by any chance most of them did not want not to not
experience what many called the greatest pleasure of life. Women whose
husbands could get killed anytime, about fate of whom they sometimes haven’t
heard for months were also much more prone to various tempting adventures with
men they might never see again. The war also forced on the society one huge
change. Women who had to substitute for the soldiers by taking “men’s” jobs in
industry and in the scientific field also
enhanced their self-awareness and started to demand rights they deserved. This led to the empowerment
of emancipation and feminist movements making some changes that couldn’t’ve been either stopped, nor reversed.
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Let’s get more liberal!
Those
changes haven’t omitted Poland. Quite on the contrary to be fair. After dismal
years of war, people wanted to cherish their
lives even more. Culture was taken by storm by the groups such as “Skamander” that
focused on praising the beauty of life. Cabarets were created one after the
other. Women were given voting rights starting with the first elections in the
re-born Poland. Old, conservative order started to tumble bringing change to
many aspects of life, including the sexual one. This combined with modern
medicine, which started to equalize sexual needs and roles of men and women (it
even started to suspect existence of female orgasm) got
to minds of many, that now started to demand equal standards for both
genders. Among the vanguard of liberal thinkers you could find such figures as
Tadeusz Boy-Żeleński and Anna Krzywicka, who in popular, influential magazines
often campaigned for the usage of contraception,
liberal sexual habits and responsible motherhood as well as for gay rights.
Since men found it hard to change their ways and live in abstinence until the
day they marry, they stopped to demand virginity from their more and more
self-conscious brides. Another important factor was growing popularity of
professional contraception, namely condoms, advertised in Poland with a popular
slogan “your heart’s more likely to break” (“prędzej ci serce pęknie”). Women
did not have to worry an unexpected pregnancy anymore. The first discussed
drafts of the new Polish code of civil laws accepted abortion and depenalised
gay relationships. It may also come as a surprise to some of you –since it’s a
topic of many heated debates today- but this was also the time when the sexual
education started to be introduced into Polish schools. All that put together
shaped minds of Polish people liberalizing their take on sex and making them
sometimes even more tolerant towards pre-marital sex life, the usage of contraception and even gay rights than we
are today.
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- Did this article change anyhow the way you look at the pre-war Poland?
- Have you ever thought that Poles could’ve been so liberal in the 19 ‘20s and ‘30s?
- Do you think we’re more liberal regarding sexual life than Polish people used to be, or quite on the contrary?
Source: [Epoka hipokryzji. Seks i erotyka w przedwojennej Polsce; Kamil Janicki, ISBN: 97883240-3057-6]
Was this article , and so change the way you look at pre -War Poland?
ReplyDeleteI'll never wonder what life was like erotic at the pre -war Poland . For sure I did not realize it was so " weird and wild" . Young people do not know how to imagine that their great grandparents also had their sex life and it's not so boring. :)
The book, which you have entered in the bibliography is very interesting reviews, I think I read it :)
Have you ever thought that Poles could’ve been so liberal in the 19 ‘20s and ‘30s?
I never thought about it :)
But really surprised me picture of erotica. I had no idea that under the guise of a polite and decent life - Poles sex life was "so developed".
Do you think we’re more liberal regarding sexual life than Polish people used to be, or quite on the contrary?
It's hard to say because even hard to compare the two periods (the period before the war and years today ) everything is different and hard to compare both the erotic life of these two periods .
I'm glad you find the topic interesting. I'm also happy it has broadened your horizons in the matter. Speaking of the book I helped myself with I'm really thrilled I could interest you with it and I definitelly can recomend it to you as well!
Delete1.Did this article change anyhow the way you look at the pre-war Poland?
ReplyDeleteYes. I thought it was more like you’ve described at the beginning - strict religion-based moral code, ladies and gentlemen’s and so on…
2.Have you ever thought that Poles could’ve been so liberal in the 19 ‘20s and ‘30s?
No, I never really thought about it…
3.Do you think we’re more liberal regarding sexual life than Polish people used to be, or quite on the contrary?
This is hard question, because we have quite divided nation. Right now, we have big change on our political scene. Recent years regarding sexual life in Poland was bringing us to Western Europe a little. More and more minorities have more to say. The discussion was open. We don’t know for sure yet, but probably this trend will be changed. In my opinion this days we are moving against to the ’20, ’30.
I'm glad I could change your view a bit and make it a bit closer to the reality. I hope now you share my view that sometimes history is way different from our perception of it!
DeleteVery interesting and well-written presentation! We’re only just animals, so I’m sure that basic instincts cannot change that much, but I feel that in previous years had more self-respect. I’m not saying that they had less sex, just it didn’t look like this:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LlUSaY_bdg
I feel that somehow we lowered the bar and now it’s all about fun and trying new things. The average age of starting sexual interaction is getting lower and lower each year, so let’s hope we won’t have to go with this:
http://southpark.cc.com/clips/152863/no-choice
So I was aware that premature sex was an issue back then, not only now. And for all of you, who aren’t sure about this simple truth:
http://southpark.cc.com/clips/104190/chefs-advice
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DeleteThank you for this very well-thougt comment! I do agree with you partially. Yes- the age of sexual initiation is getting lower, but the reasons for it are quite different. It's not that we've lowered the bar anyhow, the world has just changed drastically in the means of access to the information. As long as it was quite a bit of a hassle for a 13 y.o. boy to get some nude pictures back then, nowadays due to access to the internet no teenager has such difficulty and he/she can find out basically any piece of info on sex, thus becoming aware and qurious, which leads to "trying new things out" earlier. In Poland for instance it's not related to sexual education, but rather the lack of it. I also agree with the message of the last short video you linked. Families should more often step in and talk to their children about sex. Now most of kids get to know about it from their friends at a very young age and very often this shapes a misguided view on romantic matters. That's where I'd look for the roots of as you put it "lowering the bar" if we can even refere to it that way.
DeleteWell I will be honest that this topic made me bored from the very first few lines so I didn't go through the whole article. Don't take it as an offend, it just didn't suit me, that's it, cheers ; )
ReplyDeleteOh, no worries, it takes much more than one comment to offend me, so you can be sure no offence was taken ;) Anywho- I do envy your skills of anticipation. It takes a whole load of those to be certain you won't find the article interesting having read only a few lines of it! I was once told it was wrong to judge the book by it's cover, now I guess I might need to rethink this view of mine. cheers! ;)
DeleteDid this article change anyhow the way you look at the pre-war Poland?
ReplyDeleteDefinitely yes. Until now the pre-war Poland remind me of people pious, morally correct, deep patriots, ladies and gentlemen. I thought that the lives of thousands of Poles focused only on supporting the reconstruction of our country.
Have you ever thought that Poles could’ve been so liberal in the 19 ‘20s and ‘30s?
I never thought about it. Now, I know that they could and it is in some way shocking, but we cannot be hypocritical in our judgments.
Do you think we’re more liberal regarding sexual life than Polish people used to be, or quite on the contrary?
For sure today sex is no longer a taboo subject, it surrounds us from all sides. Internet, TV, ads with sexily clothed models, escort offers in newspapers, “Fifty Shades of Grey” on the bestseller list and many many other things. Unfortunately, currently sex life is initiated prematurely, sometimes for fun, sometimes out of curiosity, but it was the same in the past, with the difference that now the teenager pregnant does not shock, and in the past it was a shame for the family.
Thank you for the comment! I'm glad I could help you deal with some misconceptions regarding the topic. And trully they were patriotic, many of them deeply believing in the existance of God. Yet having a flourishing sexual life was in the minds of many not getting in line of the mentioned values :) Also back then teenage pregnancy was actually pretty common as well and it would shock mostly if the upper-class girl would get pregnant before married.
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ReplyDeleteThis article confirmed my look at the pre-war Poland. The war period made opportunities for both genders to betray, be it wife or husband.
I think that people felt they were somewhat justified because they often didn't know what happened to their spouse. Sometimes they were thinking their other half is dead. However I thought that women were generally more faithful and they waited until the information about death was confirmed.
Have you ever thought that Poles could have been so liberal in the 19 ‘20s and ‘30s?
I have never wondered about it but I like the fact that Poles broke the "wall" - they desired to be more liberal and they crusaded for the equal rights.
Do you think we’re more liberal regarding sexual life than Polish people used to be, or quite on the contrary?
In my opinion nowadays we are more liberal regarding our sexual life than Polish people used to be. Year after year the world's sexual open-mindedness is rising. In the past homosexuality wasn't acceptable. Now no one is shocked by it. People raise their openness regarding sexual life all the time.
Thank you for this comment! I thought for quite a bit how to respond, but the only thing that came to my mind is- I completely agree with what you've said! :)
Delete1. Did this article change anyhow the way you look at the pre-war Poland?
ReplyDelete2. Have you ever thought that Poles could’ve been so liberal in the 19 ‘20s and ‘30s?
1-2. This article cannot change my views because I never thought about these topics in relative to 20s and 30s. But you gave me new, quite interesting informations which I will certainly remember, thanks! :)
3. Do you think we’re more liberal regarding sexual life than Polish people used to be, or quite on the contrary?
Nowadays all of that is much easier, due to Internet so it's hard to just compare it. Certainly we can say that today it is more visible. And social acceptance is much higher.
haha "This article cannot change my views because I never thought about these topics" - you cought me drinking coffee with this one and I nearly spilled it all over myself while laughing! :D thank you for this utterly disarming honesty :) I'm also glad I could get you interested in this particular, specific topic :)
DeleteVery interesting and well-written article.
ReplyDeleteWhat I think is that we idealize the IInd Polish Republic a lot. There is an absurd common opinion, that it was a well-managed democratig country with a blossoming economy, which is a complete absurd. The political alternatives back then were not very interesting. One was the ruling Sanation party - regularly overstepping demotratical norms, utilyzing a concentration-camp-like isolation place in Bereza Kartuska. The other, Dmowski's Endecja, the nationalist party responsible for murdering a democratically chosen president.
People, except for the high-society, as always of course, lived in horrifying conditions. Big migration from villages to cities, an avarege of multiple families living in single rooms, bad or no roads at all, poor modernisation plans for electrical and water supplies.
Not to mention xenophobia, ghetto benches at schools, etc.
But culture was pretty much fine back then, and, as you mentioned, that part of the society might have been becoming quite sexually liberal. Nevertheless if we discuss things like that, I think it's important to realize how small part of the society we are speakig of.
Thanks for the presentation though :)
That was a very insightful comment! I'm impressed by the context you interpret my article in, since I belive the best way to approach it is with the backgroud info, which you clearly have. Yet I cannot fight the impression you've got a very dismal picture of the "II RP". The info, you present us with is obviously correct, yet it consists only of criticism. I guess the best way to describe pre-war Poland is to say it was a dichotomous country. We need to remeber that Poland was a war zone exploited during the WW1 by 3 huge forces and it took quite an effort to rebuild it, yet it was a developping at a huge rate. We've had shameful moments as a nation back then, yet we've had a lot more proud and successful ones :)
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ReplyDelete1. Did this article change anyhow the way you look at the pre-war Poland?
Very interesting article because it shows the topic that I have never thinking about. I am glad that you wrote it, because war brings to people only death, fear and pain. Talking about sexual life is the last think discussed, while talking about pre-war Poland topic. I think that article change the way I look at the pre-war Poland.
2. Have you ever thought that Poles could’ve been so liberal in the 19 ‘20s and ‘30s?
I have never wondered about it.
I have to say that this topic reminds me the movie that I have watched some time ago. Hysteria – the romantic story about the beginning of vibrator.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FWReqkTWfA
Maybe that didn’t have much in common with this topic, but it is only my association . It was a taboo topic, but everyone dose it.
3. Do you think we’re more liberal regarding sexual life than Polish people used to be, or quite on the contrary?
Now everything is different, people are more open, they share theirs life on social media, borders disappeared. I think that it has its pros and cons, there will always be someone unhappy and we will never find the center point.
Thank you for the comment! I'm happy I could show you that history is way more complicated than most of text book authors want us to believe. Also I do think that "Hysteria" sends a similar message so you're comperison was totally in place! :)
DeleteArticle is very interesting. Subject supprised me a lot, I like historical books and articles, I think because of that I read it with big pleasure. For Polish this subject is hard because we are secretive and shy about sexual subject. I had never before thought about Polish pre-war sexual life but I think both then and now the sexual life it depends on the nature of human not for the ages.
ReplyDeleteThank you! Surprisingly interesting topic was just want I desired to achieve choosing what to write about, so I'm glad you appreciate it :)
DeleteQuite interesting article.
ReplyDeleteBefore the answer to your first two questions I would prefer to learn a little more about the habits of those years. Due to lack of time I am not able to confront information from your article with other descriptions, and does not want to comment when I read only one article.
I think that a sex life is not necessarily conditioned by the time in which we live, because in every era can be found in both groups of people restrained as well as a group of sexual deviants.
I like your approach regarding answering my questions. It's a really good habit not to speak of the matter we think, we should learn a bit more about. I always try to follow the very same pattern. I just don't really understand what did you mean usingthe word "deviant" I didn not speak of any sexual fellons in the article. Just the regular sex life of people of the time. I think we need to be careful using this term since it's being overused by different (...)phobic groups to describe acts/people which have nothing in common with deviatry, such as having sex before married, or regarding gays and lesbians.
DeleteDid this article change anyhow the way you look at the pre-war Poland?
ReplyDeleteFirst of all - great article.
Talking about sexual life is not popular topic especially while talking about pre-war Poland.
I did not know some of the facts that you have presented in this article so it was very nice to discover them.
2. Have you ever thought that Poles could’ve been so liberal in the 19 ‘20s and ‘30s?
I have never wondered about it to be honest.
Now, I know that they could - valuable information.
Do you think we’re more liberal regarding sexual life than Polish people used to be, or quite on the contrary?
Nowadays sex is no longer a taboo topic and I think that many people agre with me. Certainly we can say that today it is more visible expecially when talking about the Internet.
Thank you! I aimed to talk in my article about something unusual and I wasn't sure wheather people would find it interesting, so I'm glad you liked it! I also agree with what you've said in response to my question no.3
DeleteIt was very interesting article for me :)
ReplyDeleteI didn't realize that this sex life in pre-war Poland was so amazing.
I knew a bit about my great-grandfather, who had two wives, but divorce and betrayal, however, were considered something extraordinary.
In fact, these times are associated rather with elegance, culture and significance, but your article shows that sometimes it was the cover ...: D
I think, after all that, sex had in those days much more important for people - was something sealing the relationship between two people,
and what was between them, as you wrote was taboo - not for show.
Sex life could have been amazing, but it wasn't on the show as much as it does now.
Now eroticism is for sale, is widely available and it doesn't impress anyone. It is no longer an experience of two people, or anything amazing thing...
First of all - thank you! It's really nice to hear people enjoy reading your pieces. I also agree with what you've said. Nowadays erotism is for sale, which -ironically- stips it from it's misterious, tempting magic.
DeleteIm suprised about this article. Its was fun to read and it change my thinking of this part in Poland history. Do you have some more link or sources when I can find more informations about this subject? I will read more about this in some books.
ReplyDeleteRob C- I'm glad you find the topic interesting, and even more so, that you want to learn more about it! First of all I advise you to read the book I based a lot of my article on. It's a real page-turner! Another great thing about it is that the author is 100% fair and square when it comes to nameing the sources, so anytime you find a particular bit interesting you can dig into it much further! I could go on now with enumarating a few things to read, but I'd mostly be just copying the book, so I hope this info I gave you will suffice. If not, let me know and I'll see what we can do :)
Delete1.Did this article change anyhow the way you look at the pre-war Poland?
ReplyDeleteAbsolutly now, I know Polish history pre world war and I listen about behavior Polish man and woman in this time. I think these time was better, because people more respected that now.
2. Have you ever thought that Poles could’ve been so liberal in the 19 ‘20s and ‘30s?
Yes I listen.
3. Do you think we’re more liberal regarding sexual life than Polish people used to be, or quite on the contrary?
I think that nowadays a lot of people consider sexual life as something obvious and normal. People often see naked women and men and in the radio all day listen about appropriations potency. As a result in Poland is a lot betrayal and divorced comparing with years in the past, where people has more respect for second person than today.