Monday 19 May 2014

Week 6: Should we rethink the way we run our schools?

Today I’m going to talk about schools. It’s an curious topic for a presentation, because everyone is pretty intimately familiar with it - we all spent a good portion of our childhood sitting in a classroom. As a consequence we usually think about the way our education system is organized as something evident and immutable - almost like a law of nature. Sure, we can argue about the specifics, but in broad terms the way our schools function seems to us as the only sensible way to tackle the problem of educating our offspring. And indeed - our schools haven’t really changed since the XIX century.

I’d like to use this presentation as a chance to ask the questions we don’t usually ask: why are schools organized the way they are? Is it really the only sensible way?

Start by watching this entertaining presentation by Sir Ken Robinson:



The Robinson’s messages seems pretty clear - our schools are not in step with modern times (by the way, if you liked this talk, he did a second one on that topic). Even more basic thing to ask might be “why people thought this was a good way to teach kids in the first place?”. We can find a possible answer in “The Third Wave” - a book by Alvin Toffler published in 1980. In his chapter about the “Second Wave” industrial revolution society of the XIX century, Toffler makes some interesting remarks about the origins of the modern school:
As work shifted out of the fields and the home, moreover, children had to be prepared for factory life. The early mine, mill, and factory owners of industrializing England discovered, as Andrew Ure wrote in 1835, that it was "nearly impossible to convert persons past the age of puberty, whether drawn from rural or from handicraft occupations, into useful factory hands." If young people could be prefitted to the industrial system, it would vastly ease the problems of industrial discipline later on. The result was another central structure of all Second Wave societies: mass education. Built on the factory model, mass education taught basic reading, writing, and arithmetic, a bit of history and other subjects. This was the "overt curriculum." But beneath it lay an invisible or "covert curriculum" that was far more basic. It consisted—and still does in most industrial nations—of three courses: one in punctuality, one in obedience, and one in rote, repetitive work. Factory labor demanded workers who showed up on time, especially assembly-line hands. It demanded workers who would take orders from a management hierarchy without questioning. And it demanded men and women prepared to slave away at machines or in offices, performing brutally repetitious operations. 
According to Toffler,  our school has been organised to resemble a XIX-century factory floor - with focus on obedience, punctuality and one’s ability to sit still for hours, doing repetitive work. The scary thing is modern schools still use the same XIX-century blueprint.

So... maybe not teaching creativity it is not a failure of our education system after all? Maybe it was designed this way deliberately?

The problem is, even if we agree that’s the case, it doesn’t help us find a better way to educate our children. What might help, however, are examples of schools that are successful without following the classic XIX-century model of “obedience, punctuality and repetitive work”. One of them is Summerhill. This free (“free” as in “freedom”, not just “free of charge”!) school was founded in 1921 by Alexander Neill. Today, more than 90 years later, it’s still going strong. What’s remarkable about the school, it is completely antithetical to the classic educational system. It is more concerned about making its pupils into happy well adjusted human beings who follow their passions than about forcing them into a pre-defined model of success.

Creative Commons licensed photo by Blue Square Thing


There are no mandatory classes in Summerhill. I know the idea might be hard to comprehend for people educated in a traditional school, so I’ll repeat: no mandatory classes. You could literally spend all 12 year of your education without attending a single class. This is hard for us to accept, because we were taught by our schools that children have to be forced to learn. The example of Summerhill clearly shows this notion is false. Children want to learn. The development of new skills and new knowledge is in fact one of basic human needs. In the 90 year history of Summerhill there was never a student who wasn’t interested in learning something.

There is however an interesting phenomenon connected with the kids transferred to Summerhill from different schools. After learning they are not forced to attend lessons, many of them declare they will never go to another class. Ever. While Sumerhill kids associate learning with fun, those children were already “corrupted” by adults forcing education on them. It often takes many months before those kids discover they actually want to learn and start to attend classes again. This time for a much better reason.

You can learn much more about the Summerhill school from Neil’s book entitled “Summerhill School: A New View of Childhood” (it was published in Poland under the title “Nowa Summerhill” by Wydawnictwo Zysk i S-ka). I found the book utterly fascinating. Below you will find found a short report on Summerhill from Euronews TV:



Sumerhill is obviously not the only free school out there. There are plenty more. “This American Life”, the radio show I raved about in my previous presentation, made a story on The Brooklyn Free School. I think it is worth listening to.

Source: "Stuff No-one Told Me"
So. What do you think? Should we rethink the way we teach children or is the current system just fine?

28 comments:

  1. As I said before - I love how you format your presentations! And I loved the story about the Fireman from the second video :)

    I think it’s a great topic, which should be discussed not only by us, but government as well. I’m not a big fan of “free school” idea, but I agree that something must be changed. The reason I don’t approve “free school” is that I’m not sure they would provide enough knowledge they should. I bet younger pupils prefer rather playing than studying and later on they could have problem with basic skills like counting, reading etc. The younger we are, the better aptitude for learning we have, so missing those could harm our growth.

    The biggest problem I see in polish schools is that we aren’t thought how to think, but to solve quizzes. The first problem that because of dividing education into too many steps we have situation when you learn something new in primary school, then you train in six grade before test, than you repeat everything during first grade of secondary school to even out the level of education among every student, then you learn something in second grade and repeat to another test in third grade. And the same pattern we have in high school. And during studies, they’re telling us that we should have learnt that during previous years. (http://img4.demotywatoryfb.pl//uploads/201102/1297711339_by_czeslawalizeczka_600.jpg)

    I think we should reconsider our program and maybe take something from Finnish?

    http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2014/03/finnish-education-chief-we-created-a-school-system-based-on-equality/284427/
    and:
    http://www.businessinsider.com/finland-education-school-2011-12?op=1

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    1. Thank you for your comments and your kind comments about my presentation :)

      > The reason I don’t approve “free school” is that I’m not sure
      > they would provide enough knowledge they should.

      I do agree that your position seems common sense. But the reality of free schools is different. Summerhill graduates certainly doesn't lack basic academic skills like reading or writing and many of them successfully pursue higher education.

      The important point, however, is that the school doesn't define its success based on how many pupils it steers towards higher education. It allows them to find their interests themselves. The Euronews video contains a quote from Neil saying "we would rather the school produce a happy street cleaner, than a neurotic scholar".

      I myself as a middle school/high school kid taught myself to program, without anyone having to force me - it was my idea of play. I don't think there is anyone that having the change doesn't enjoy doing creative stuff. "Work" and "play or "fun" doesn't have to two entirely separate things.

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    2. Indeed they dont have - but I am sure that 99% of society was not aware in school what they want to acheive in 10-20 years or who they really want to be (not talking about dreams of becoming a fireman..) I am sure that you found your own idea of play thanks to having different tasks at school - you knew what you do not like and what makes you pleasant. In my opinion school should show you a diversity of the world and how each thing is connected to each other - so that kids could be aware the complexity of the world and knowledge that nothing comes from the sky by itself ;)

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  2. I'm not pretty sure if our schools are so bad.
    I think Polish people are quite good educated when comparing with other countries.
    Personally I'm happy I was forced to learn e.g. history or biology. These ones are not my favorite fields but at least I knew something and still remember some facts. If not forced by education system I would never choose these subjects at all.
    The only thing I'm worried about the way of teaching in Poland is too much of theory.
    I had a chance to make a bachelor's degree in Poland and in Denmark. I have to say it was the best what I could mixed. In Poland my education was much more theoretical, classes and exams were about learn how it works not try to do it. In Denmark it was completely opposite: theory was presented but in a limited way. There was an assumption that in 21st Century it is possible to find this knowledge but the practical part is priceless. I think both assumptions are as much correct, as much they are wrong. I was lucky - I had theoretical basis from Poland but could improve my practical skills in Denmark.
    About choosing classes - I think this is good solution for the universities and I believe it should be possible in Poland (it is known abroad and works very efficiently). But primary school or high school? I don’t think so. People are too young to decide and I think they should have a chance to meet basis of every fundamental field.
    For me the problem with education system in Poland is not exactly because of classes (sometimes maybe because of teachers) but more by cardinality of groups and system reorganization few years ago - in my opinion it is stupid that now we have three schools instead of two.

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    1. Agnieszka
      The practice of science is very important, but without the basic theory is hard to master the practice.

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    2. I agree with your point, Agnieszka. Compared to the majority of Western teenagers, we are better at theoretical knowledge (especially, Geography or Biology). But the problem is, as you've already pointed out, is that middle schools in Poland focus too much on theory and not too much practice. US educational system is more job-oriented, they teach kids narrow, specialistic knowledge which will be useful for their future job. They do not care to teach whether Poland lies in Asia or Europe or other non-specialty-related stuff.
      It all obviously depends, on what path will the kid take (or parents choose for him/her). There is no universal golden rule.

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  3. This free school seems like a great idea! My only concern would be the outcome. How the graduates of this kind of schools cope with stress and how they do in their adult life in comparison with their statistical colleague from classical schools? Maybe more importantly, since such free school may change view on such things, do they feel fulfilled and successful in life? Can they deal with things without help of anyone from "classical" school around? Perhaps you know if someone has made an effort to carry out such surveys?

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    1. I don't know about any surveys and I know that's just anecdotal date, but couple of years ago The Independent published an interesting article about Summerhill alumni and their adult lives. There was also a book on this subject published, called "After Summerhill" - it is mentioned in the article, but unfortunately I didn't read it.

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  4. I agree the educational system in Poland leaves a lot to be desired. In my opinion the programme is overloaded. Pupils are often are forced to learn by heart, without understanding the material. Such a learning method kills creativity and analytical thinking.

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    1. I suppose it is often "why the hell I would need this in my life?" question... I have also not found yet some of the school's stuff important in my own, like finding parametrized polynomial's zeros ;) on the other hand, geometry (planning my own house), doing stuff on matrix (making 3d simulations) and so on... but I am sure that the one I still haven't found a certain case - still helped me to think a bit more abstract and analycital

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  5. Ludwik, you moved very important topic. It is a pity that we are discussing it, not the people who have influence on the polish education system.

    I think that it is hard to say unequivocally that school in Poland is good or bad. The fact is (Agnieszka already mentioned it) that the polish students are among the European lead and reach one of the best results in science. And this is definitive in a favor of the polish school, though maybe we should consider whether that is an effect of well-functioning schools and properly prepared program or maybe it is a result of students diligence and ambition. The disadvantage of the polish school is that it does not prepare children and teenagers for everyday life, because it do not teach them practical skills (and I think not only about skills that can be used in future occupation, but also about such abilities as coping with stress, team work, etc.) Knowledge obtained in the school after years loses importance: most of the former students do not remember, for example, why "Lalka" is a novel the same positivistic and romantic, what are the functions etc. (this phenomenon perfectly illustrates a show called "Matura to bzdura", of which I am a big fan). And in a reality a lot of them (or maybe I should write: a lot of us) have problems with making a simple calculation while shopping in the store. I think that the problem of polish schools is that there is a lot of pressure on the students, teachers putting them a lot of unrealistic demands, but at the same time school gives a little of itself - the teaching programme is unchanged for years and often lags behind the needs of the reality, teachers do not broaden their knowledge to be able to offer students something new, something to stimulate them.

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  6. In my opinion modern schools look in such way because it is the cheapest and easiest model of education - not to say this is the best, on the contrary I'm far from this view. I think that from year to year, children do not learn the cause and effect relationship , they are taught only the facts that are not needed. What more children are not shown that it is worth to learn because through this we can understand the world and what surrounds us, the children in traditional schools learn because they have get a good grade. Moreover in my opinion children are forced to learn.

    Interesting fact:
    Recently I read in the my niece’s manual the story of Troy . After reading I did not know what was the reason and where that Troy really was .

    Some time ago I was thinking about the education of my daughter, home education went through my mind - because I'd like to teach my child the pleasure exploring the world . What held me back was the fact that children need to be in contact with their peers, to learn how to live in a group. And then I came across an article about free schools, delving into the topic I came to the conclusion that this form meets my expectations. Looking further I discovered that such schools exist in Warsaw.

    Nice picture:
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=662049190550567&set=a.364508750304614.88987.319628118126011&type=1&relevant_count=1

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  7. touchy topic indeed.

    I think there are thousands of things what is wrong with our educational system. I would agree with majority of what been said by now: too much theory, too few practicals, teachers without up to date knowledge, information overloads... and so on.

    yet, the most important in my view is that classic schools don't encourage pupils to think ! They give a ready made answers, you need only to remember and not ask why!

    There is a great picture illustrating this process: http://universalfreepress.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/01-thought-300x221.png

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    1. The picture seems disturbingly accurate!

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  8. A great summary of philosophy behind Summerhill is offered by Neil DeGrasse Tyson, the director of Hayden Planetarium NYC here: http://youtu.be/bvFOeysaNAY
    He points out the natural curiosity in every child and I think it is a good idea to take advantage of it. So a place like Summerhill is worth looking at to see if it's enough for teachers to leave the kids alone - as Neil Tyson and Pink Floyd said;).

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    1. What a great video! And you are right - this sums up the philosophy behind Summerhill pretty nicely. It's quite ironic that although kids are the ones who always create a stream of endless questions, somehow we still think that we need to force them to learn about the world.

      I love this quote from the video:
      -What can I do to get my kids interested in science?
      -They're already interested in science. You are the one who is the problem!

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  9. Very interesting presentation! You and Mr Robinson are 100% right. Schools were formed in a specific way long time ago and haven’t changed since... It’s like a status quo very little people dare to question and challenge... Strange, very strange. We would need a real revolution to change that.
    But does it regard children only? We’re studying at the moment in the same way and many adult people learn new languages ...using the same means. 
My boyfriend – who always wants do things in his own way – started to lear English some time ago. He came back frustrated from almost each classes... He asked me several times “Is there really no other way to learn a language? I can’t believe all people agree to proceed this way. All schools, no matter which one you choose - are exactly the same... There must be different way!”
    I agree with him - there must be a different, better way... If you ever hear of a truly different, free language school - please let us know :)
    Are there such free schools in Poland?

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    1. I pretty much learned English listening to podcasts, watching TV series, reading blogs. Other people learn languages finding native-speakers willing to talk on on Skype (there are whole websites dedicated to connecting people for that purpose). Internet and almost unlimited access to content and people from all over the world created a whole slew of new methods for learning a language.

      > Are there such free schools in Poland?

      Some of them are listed on edukacjademokratyczna.pl. I personally worked in a High School that may not be as free as Sumerhill, but can be classified as a free school as well - it's called Wielokulturowe Liceum Humanistyczne im. Jacka Kuronia. The school is democratic and based on honest, equal relations between students and teachers.

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    2. I might also add that teaching in a school with no war between students and teachers was a real pleasure :)

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  10. I think that teaching methods have their pros and cons.
    Some students will gain more knowledge in the traditional way and others in Summerhill school.
    Due to the fact that I was raised in a traditional school, it's hard for me to imagine Summerhill school.
    I think that willingness of gaining some knowledge comes to people later tha they are 7 and when they start their adventure with school/education.
    And it is difficult to develop without the basics learned in the early grades.
    Moreover, children in primary school definitely prefer playing with peers to learning.
    However, in a traditional school it is hard to learn the creativity and ingenuity.

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    1. Michał, you are right - children in primary school should first of all spend time on playing, running, jumping etc. - do you know what is the number of sport classes in traditional elementary school? 3 hours per week for first three years and then 4 hours per week. Do you think this is enough? I don't think so, specially that today children cannot go alone to the playground, and parents do not have time - due to their career duties.

      On the other hand you are not right about the willingness of gaining the knowledge - I don't know if you have you own children, but 4 year old child is asking many questions "why...?", "what...?", "where....?" "what for...?" - sometimes you have enough, you want to say "I don't know", do you know what happens next, when you say you don't know? - "Mom/Day, can we look for the answer?" Children will to learn, want to understand, gain knowledge - in my opinion the way of teaching discourages them.

      Some time ago we were in Copernicus Science Center - 've spent there more than 4h but 've seen only one part, because Oli wanted to try everything, and was asking thousand of questions.

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    2. I think that's a very good point, Iza. Children, even the small ones, are almost like small learning machines. They want to know everything about the world.

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  11. Interesting is that I suppose you mentioned with purpose: we all spent a good portion of our childhood sitting in a classroom. Indeed, in most of the cases we do nothing productive when someone forces us to "go to school" and attend classes, which is very bad because if you are being forced to do something, you do not want to do it - therefore it will be done without passion and self feeling "I need that".

    On the other hand I am also against type of learning "free" @1912 - it is still our perception that we know better what is good for us - do you remember your youth and adolescence together with thinking "adults know nothing!"? What I want to point out? You may now want to attend classes if you feel they are unnecessary - but in my opinion, you should be aware the consequences. Allowing you to not attend any class for 12 years is a destruction in my opinion, as in most of the cases childs will be not aware of not learning anything in youth.

    About last point: yes,childrens are indeed small unstopable machines ;) but at very young age - and the lessons often come from making decisions and mistakes (like, what will happen if I touch iron which is turned on?) - and most of them can be prevented by older generations - why would we have to not share the knowledge of cosequences? On the other hand (again) - some issues apparently seem to "must be felt on your own skin".

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    1. I think kids and teenagers can be much more reasonable than you are giving them credit for. But first you would need to empower them, so they feel they are in control of their own lives - we rarely do that.

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  12. I’m bit older probably than the rest of you so I can tell you from my life experience that this new education really suc**. People are a lot more stupid when they go out from schools. And I mean even universities. I see a trend that was disturbing for me even when I was at primary school. The level of education was aligned to meet the stupid one. There was not a good practice to lower exam pass score on PJWSTK to not to have too many people who should rewrite tests. Cheating was a thing in the past that, if you were caught you were expelled from university/school with a bad fame so probably any other school or university would accepted you. Now this is quite a bad norm in polish schools and universities. I hope that this will change. But as you know hope often blinks at a fool, and probably I have to be a fool…

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  13. Regarding the system of education in Poland I am sure that in many areas could be much better but generally isn’t so bad. Of course, occur task type like "Ala has three oranges, two oranges gave mom, how many kilometers drive her dad?". But the Polish students are very good specialists in many areas, respected around the world.

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  14. I'm not a fan of our current educational system. This one should be much better. It's necessary to teach how to think and solve the problems. But some of children have tendetion for memorizing - it leads me to medieval systems of learning, scholastisticism, as I remember. Over time, I have my personal feeling, that people have low awareness of culture and aestheticism. They don't use creativity in the fields of life - it's a problem to solve.We have much to gain from Summerhill in these aspects.

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  15. It’s easy to say that schools are not good enough, because everything is changing so fast that we, as a society cannot keep up. School can give you some basics or interest you with some topics, but you as an individual have to take matters into your own hands. We shouldn’t blame schools and national education for our failure. We will be just fine if we realize that at the and, we can only count on ourselves.

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